Day Dreems – s/t (Q&A)

In jest, Day affectionately dubs this self-named compilation of 10 irresistibly catchy pop tunes as the ‘Me Me Me’ album. Each lyric delves into deeply personal territory, with melodies that linger long after they’ve played. While one might initially be captivated by the infectious tunes, there’s more beneath the surface awaiting discovery. This album is a treasure trove for those willing to dive deeper.


You can discover ‘Fountain Of Truth’ featured on the Best Power Pop of 2024 Spotify Playlist.


Could you share the journey of bringing this record to life? How did all the pieces come together to create the final product?

I played my last show with The Zags in early two thousand twenty, right before SARS-CoV-2 changed the world. March two thousand twenty brought illness, disorientation, and an extended interruption of my creative flow. It wasn’t until December of two thousand twenty-one that the artistic impulse started to return to me. I discovered how easy it was to use virtual instruments to create musical sketches on my tablet computer, and I dove into writing new music. Within about a week, I had the arrangements for half the songs on this record sketched out.

In two thousand twenty-two, I began releasing a combination of works-in-progress, older demos, and live tracks each month, which I’m still doing to this day. (I think there are now forty-something tracks available for my subscribers on Bandcamp and Patreon!) I spent two thousand twenty-two and two thousand twenty-three writing lyrics and recording parts, one song at a time, along with drawing artwork for each. Then I decided to release the new songs as an album, and started making stereo mixes and an album cover design. I’m not the most organized or timely person (see my song “Brain Drain”), so getting the release ready has been a real challenge!

As an artist, the act of baring your emotions to the world is profound. Does this vulnerability come naturally to you, or is it a constant journey of finding comfort?

In past work, I’ve bared my emotions very little. I tend to write with some emotional distance, either about impersonal topics like historical understandings of the planet Venus, or from the perspective of a character who is not that similar to me. I do have a couple of older songs that reflect my struggles with depression, but I’ve mostly drawn a pretty hard line between my personal life and my songwriting.

My approach has changed with this record. With the exception of Lady Beetle, which is literally just some musings about lady beetles, all the songs on “Day Dreems” flow very directly from my personal experiences and concerns. It’s definitely uncomfortable for me — vulnerability is scary! But it also feels good to make such a personal record. I hope my feelings and perspectives resonate with some listeners, so that we might all feel a bit less alone.

Imagine you could collaborate with three co-writers of your choice for new songs. Who would you select, and what qualities or dynamics draw you to them?

My ideal collaborator would be someone to ask me probing questions that help me write lyrics. And someone to cheer me on and give me a sense of urgency about finishing work. And someone who is well-organized and good at talking to strangers to help me get the music out there and connect with my audience. So maybe like a therapist, a coach, and a PR expert? Or just Paul McCartney? I think he might have all those skills, plus, you know, some musical and lyrical abilities, too.

My most successful co-writing experiences have been where we would literally trade off lines or verses, not really working together so much as working in dialogue with each other. I’d enjoy trying that with some more people. If I limit my choices to active artists, I might include Shannon Shaw, Mo Troper, Palehound, Kevin Barnes, Mary Timony, Euros Childs, Mitski, and Norman Blake. I think they all have enough in common with my tastes to mesh well, while bringing enough different influences to generate something that is different from what I’d make alone.

Lyrics often carry profound meaning. Are there particular lines you hope listeners will always remember from your songs? If so, what’s the significance?

I’m not sure whether many of the lyrics on this record need much explanation, but I think they’re powerful if not necessarily profound.

“The Bad Old Days” paints a pretty clear picture of the growing fascist minority in the U.S.A. If they had their way, only white cisgender heterosexual Christian non-disabled people would be recognized as having basic rights, and the women within that group would be subject to the will of the men. “They say their enemies are weak but also strong. They say it’s obvious which people should belong. And the rest of us can serve them if we just behave, and thank them for the crumbs they gave. But if being who you are is likely to disrupt, get ready to be rounded up!” The scary thing is that I’m not creating a straw man; they talk about removing civil rights and about punishing their political enemies! I hope we can get those folks to at least stuff their supremacist attitudes back into the closet, if they can’t figure out why they ought to care about other people in a plural society.

I also hope that “F Natural” might help some people give up on the notion that natural = good. “It’s natural to be dying of disease,” after all. And if people want to use medical interventions to prevent or end pregnancy, or to change their secondary sex characteristics, that should be their right as well — bodily autonomy! “Your body’s made for you, not a temple or taboo. Go ahead and change the things you want to! They may say it’s a facade, or that you are playing god. You’ll live inside their heads and pay no rent. But nature’s just an accident..”

Albums often involve collaboration with various musicians and producers. Could you shed light on how these collaborations contributed to shaping the album’s identity?

In this case, the album’s identity was shaped powerfully by the absence of collaboration. I’ve been writing and recording pop songs for decades now, but I’ve always done it in the context of bands. I’ve hardly ever even been the sole songwriter in a band! Working all alone had its downsides — no one else was there to help when I got stuck in the mud — but it also meant that I could be guiltlessly brutal in my judgments and edits. When I’m working in a group, I assume everyone is there because they get to express themselves, and I’m quite cautious about asking for changes or trying to overrule my bandmates. With no collaborators, I can embody my inner control freak! One consequence is that this record is probably more polished and consistent than anything I’ve made previously. Hopefully not to the point of sterility!

In the digital age, visual elements are intertwined with music. How did you approach the album’s visual aesthetics, such as album art and accompanying visuals? How do they complement the sonic experience you’ve crafted?

Like the rest of the album’s production (songwriting, arranging, performance, recording, mixing, mastering), the visual elements were all created by me. They also all include depictions (drawings or photos) of me. So I suppose that reflects the higher degree of personal expression and vulnerability that I’ve allowed myself with this album. Me, me, me, me, me! Lol.

Luke of Ulysses – Car Trouble

Luke, celebrated for his role in Ulysses, introduces a mesmerizing solo track titled ‘Car Trouble‘, evoking the essence of The Cars, Weezer, or Jellyfish throughout, with an exceptional guitar solo adding an additional touch of allure and excellence.


You can discover ‘Car Trouble’ featured on the Best Power Pop of 2024 Spotify Playlist.


Could you share the journey of bringing this record to life? How did all the pieces come together to create the final product?

Myself and Tom have been friends for years but never actually worked together, then recently I did some session work for him and he offered to do one song with me to get off my arse (I hadn’t been particularly motivated to finish / put out new music etc. I kind of wrote a song to order and demoed it roughly at home, then we did a couple of days at Tom’s place where we remade it from the ground back up, much better of course, with the bits I didn’t like improved / changed and lots of great ideas from Tom arrangement and sounds-wise.

Was there a particular moment or experience that struck you, signalling that you were onto something special with this project?

As soon as the backing track started coming together at Tom’s, also when I did my first main vocal (which we used) when I did the ‘whoo-ooh-ooh’ bit at the end.

The decision to seek opinions on your new songs is intriguing. When did you realise that external perspectives could contribute to your creative process?

It’s very hard to do everything on your own, the right people to work with creatively help to spark great moments and help to give you an overview of what you are doing. The end result of music for me is to create a song or a moment that you didn’t know was going to happen – it’s magic.

Success can take on different meanings as time goes on. When envisioning success for this new record, what does that picture look like now?

I’m just happy that all the old Ulysses fans are enjoying it! (As far as I’m aware).

As an artist, the act of baring your emotions to the world is profound. Does this vulnerability come naturally to you, or is it a constant journey of finding comfort?

It comes naturally to me but I try not to think about it to be honest!

Imagine you could collaborate with three co-writers of your choice for new songs. Who would you select, and what qualities or dynamics draw you to them?

Jonathan Wilson producing, Ariel Pink even though he’s a Trump-loon, and Paul McCartney on drums. Something good would come out, probably!

Defining a song’s completion can be elusive. How do you determine when a composition has reached its final, ready-to-record form?

Sometimes you just know from the feeling, that’s it’s finished, sometimes you just have to stop when you’ve done the best that you can do.

Lyrics often carry profound meaning. Are there particular lines you hope listeners will always remember from your songs? If so, what’s the significance?

I work hard on making the lyrics as good as I can do them. I always like to have some black comedy in there and some kind of human truth in a line or two somewhere.

Can you recall the last instance when you felt the immediate certainty of having penned a hit song?

This one.

With the resurgence of cassettes, imagine curating your inaugural mixtape. Which five songs would be must-adds and why?

Air ‘Ce matin-là’, James Gang ‘Take a Look Around’, Ariel Pink ‘Mature Themes’, Bobby Conn & The Glass Gypsies ‘Relax’, and Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich ‘Save Me’. Why? Because they are all Godlike.

Performing music before an audience holds a unique allure. What aspects of this experience contribute to the excitement and enjoyment for you?

When people truly lose themselves in the moment, it’s the best.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could tour with two other bands, who would be your ideal companions and what synergies do you envision?

The Black Crowes, so I can guest on some guitar with them, and Weezer so I can guest on some singing with them.

Where do you see yourself situated within the broader landscape of the music industry? How do you perceive your unique role and contribution?

I see myself very near the bottom, along with many other good people (and bad). This is the new Independent situation.

With the record completed and the music released, do you believe the pinnacle of enjoyment has been reached, or is this just the beginning of an exciting phase?

There’s nothing quite like that moment when you first finish recording the definitive version of a great new song.

Looking ahead to the next couple of months, what exciting plans or projects are on the horizon for you?

Recording more new songs, making more new videos, also playing bits and bobs with lots of other people such as Nick Frater, Hector, Bingo Wings, Captain Francisco – lots!

Sorry Darling – See This Through

“(…) stuff with hooky memorable riffs, big vocal melodies, jangly guitars, busy rhythm sections, and a lot of energy,” is how Steve Bailey describes the sound of Sorry Darling. In this interview, he and Liz Wagner introduce the band from Brooklyn, NY, and take us through the making of ‘See This Through‘, the beautiful EP recently released.


You can discover ‘Sorry Darling’ featured on the Best Power Pop of 2024 Spotify Playlist.


Could you share the journey of bringing this record to life? How did all the pieces come together to create the final product?

Steve – The majority of the songs on the EP had been gestating for about 5 years across a few different iterations of the band. Initially Liz and I had started Sorry Darling as sort of a stylistic diversion from our respective bands at times (shoutout to The Sharp Shadows, Wild Yawp, the Significant Looks, and Blaze Pascal!) It was meant to be primarily acoustic but as it became clear that we really liked writing together and that we simply wanted to rock more, the lineups got bigger and the songs got louder. The definitive lineup of Sorry Darling came together a year or so ago and by then we were itching to get into the studio, so once the songs had been learned we wasted no time getting in there.

Stylistically I feel like ‘See This Through’ is sort of a greatest hits of what we love in pop and rock music – stuff with hooky memorable riffs, big vocal melodies, jangly guitars, busy rhythm sections, and a lot of energy. I think the artists we individually like are all over the map but together make a really compelling mix sonically.

Was there a particular moment or experience that struck you, signaling that you were onto something special with this project?

Steve – I think it was early in the recording process at Studio G when we first heard ‘In Theory’ on the big studio monitors and realized that we rocked harder than we had initially thought we did! It’s one thing to learn the songs and play them together in a small room, but another entirely to work with a great engineer like Jeff Berner and hear yourself sounding as big and awesome as your favorite records do. If you can have that out of body experience of listening to yourself and forget it’s you, then you’re going places.

The decision to seek opinions on your new songs is intriguing. When did you realize that external perspectives could contribute to your creative process?

Steve – I think it’s useful when you are working on them in the studio. Personally I like to keep those processes internal save for a few trusted musical compatriots because I don’t want to second-guess my own artistic intent. I think too much committee can take away what’s unique about your music.

Liz – I think it mattered most to me to see which song of the 6 hit who and why. It was validating and exciting to share with our closest musical allies and friends and hear that all 6 got a chance to be somebody’s favorite.

As an artist, the act of baring your emotions to the world is profound. Does this vulnerability come naturally to you, or is it a constant journey of finding comfort?

Steve – An interesting question. For me personally I think part of writing pop music is less about my own personal vulnerability and more about reflecting situations that evoke that for people writ large. All of the songs originate from real experiences, but I am less interested in what people think Steve Bailey Himself™ gets up to and more interested in how they can relate these feelings to people and situations from their own lives. I think when that happens you get a real conversation going.

Liz – Agreed, a very interesting question. I hope that my Liz Wagner Biro Herself™ stories resonate and evoke memories and feelings for listeners as Steve said but I’d be lying if I didn’t say these two songs especially weren’t deeply personal! Writing vulnerably, playing vulnerably, singing vulnerably, etc. absolutely come naturally because I am a heart-on-my-sleeve kinda gal but woof, the post-show/post-release vulnerability/visibility hangover is real… That part is less natural. I have a complicated relationship to being perceived.

Imagine you could collaborate with three co-writers of your choice for new songs. Who would you select, and what qualities or dynamics draw you to them?

Steve – Chrissie Hynde for her way with words and attitude. Stuart Adamson (RIP) for his gorgeous melancholy and otherworldly guitar wizardry. Jessica Dobson of Deep Sea Diver for someone newer and closer to home for both of the above. She’s incredible and has such a personal musical language that still feels familiar and inviting.

Liz – Wow what a question… I am deeply moved and see myself in the lyrics of Katie Gavin of MUNA, Fiona Apple, and Jenny Lewis and right now the poetry of it all is what has me most captured.

Striking a balance between experimental artistry and commercial appeal is a challenge. How do you navigate this dynamic within your music?

Steve – I’ll be the first to say that I’m not a terribly experimental person when it comes to music. Weirdly I think the internet now is divided between people aggressively dedicated to niche artistry and people who want the most bone-headed hooks ever. I seek to exist between those two worlds in the way I feel the best bands always were – using interesting ideas in service of really memorable material.

Liz – I am similarly unsure of where to strike that balance in a particularly conscious way. I think, or at least I hope, we toe the line of the expected and the unexpected. I love throwing something just a little weird behind the more “bone-headed hooks”, as Steve defined them. I think because our personal influences are so diverse the art ends up being harder to put your finger on than any of us knew when we first brought in a song or a riff or whatever.

Lyrics often carry profound meaning. Are there particular lines you hope listeners will always remember from your songs? If so, what’s the significance?

Liz – Honestly, I want them to remember all the words always and sing along at shows cause that’s just so fun when it happens!

With the resurgence of cassettes, imagine curating your inaugural mixtape. Which five songs would be must-adds and why?

Steve – “In a Big Country” by Big Country, “Baba O’Riley” by the Who, “Brass in Pocket” by the Pretenders, “Material Girl” by Madonna, and “Shadow of a Doubt” by Sonic Youth. All of them live in my brain eternally, so might as well try and trap them on this cassette tape.

Liz – Ohhhh shit what a question… since Steve went retro I’ll stay (mostly) current – “The Wire” by Haim, “Best Left” by The Beths, “Honey” by Maggie Rogers, “Loudspeaker” by MUNA, and “When You’re Gone” by the Cranberries.

While you can’t dictate how people interpret your music, are there specific elements you wish to highlight that set your songs apart?

Steve – I think the level of craft we bring to the table makes us special. Bands these days either tend to be one-note fuzzy riff lords or navel-gazing indie/emo and we’re neither. I don’t think you should have to veer that far to either extreme to be heavy or to share a feeling. The best bands did it all and did it with style. I think we’re formed in that tradition.

Liz – I’d agree we’re trying to do it all, and I think again that’s a place where our diverse tastes and backgrounds converge really beautifully. I want our music to be equally enjoyed by you, your toddler, and your boomer mom and feedback thus far is that we’ve done that!

In a hypothetical scenario where you could tour with two other bands, who would be your ideal companions and what synergies do you envision?

Steve – The Beths and Charly Bliss would be super fun. I think all three of us value big hooks and on songcraft, so I think it’d be a match made in heaven.

Liz – I second The Beths, no question. It’s the one band all four of us passionately agree on! And I’d love to tour with Jenny Lewis, I think our songwriting is compatible and we’ve always said we’re for fans of Rilo Kiley.

Among the compliments you’ve received, is there one that remains etched in your memory? If so, what made it particularly unforgettable?

Steve – A friend of mine told me that my guitar style was instantly recognizable and that felt like a real accomplishment. Guitars may be back on the rise but I don’t know that song-focused guitar playing totally is just yet. I think we have a lot of enthusiastic strummers out there, but I don’t know that Millenials/Zoomers have too many guitar heroes that aren’t TikTok or YouTube people. I’m not an insane shredder but I do think I have certain musical tics that combined give me a sound that isn’t really in step with what most people seem to do lately.

Liz – One of my moments is actually something Steve said to me once after I expressed some self-conciousness about a particular vocal performance – he said something along the lines of “lots of people have voices that are nice to listen to but not everyone has a voice that makes them feel the way that you can.” I’ve really dined out on that feedback for a while now, so thanks buddy.

Where do you see yourself situated within the broader landscape of the music industry? How do you perceive your unique role and contribution?

Steve – Our generation has spent its entire adult life being talked down to. I think a lot of our generation’s music shows the hallmarks of being browbeaten, or suffering from arrested development (i.e. emo). With Sorry Darling I think we deal with a lot of the same feelings and situations but we’re not writing downer music that sounds like surrender. There’s some attitude there, there’s some ‘fuck you’ in the joyful energy, and there’s some maturity to how we handle the subject matter. I think that’s really important and I hope that inspires others to do the same.

Liz – Well said. I hope our songs help people feel less alone, that’s my biggest hope within art in general.

Envision recruiting three singers to provide harmony vocals on your next record. Who would you invite, and what qualities do they possess that resonate with you?

Steve – HAIM. Because they are HAIM.

Liz – Haha I am cool with that.

With the record completed and the music released, do you believe the pinnacle of enjoyment has been reached, or is this just the beginning of an exciting phase?

Steve – Just the beginning.

Liz – For sure just the beginning.

SOFTJAW – Pleased With Me

“Pleased With Me” stands as the irresistibly catchy debut single by SOFTJAW, hailing from Long Beach, California. Serving as a vibrant ode to the golden era of Power Pop, the track channels the spirit of influential bands like The Nerves and Cheap Trick.

In a musical landscape where acts such as Young Guv, The Whiffs, and The Prize pay homage to these iconic predecessors, SOFTJAW joins the ranks, affirming that the genre is indeed very much alive and thriving.

Sweet Sweet Music blog graciously provides a platform for the band to introduce themselves.


You can discover ‘Pleased With Me’ featured on the Best Power Pop of 2024 Spotify Playlist.


Could you share the journey of bringing this record to life? How did all the pieces come together to create the final product?

Dustin: Once Tanner and I got together for this project, the songs started taking shape right away. A few weeks later, we recruited Vinny and Dan, played a few shows, and hit the studio. It happened really quickly.

Tanner: I met Dustin at the local bar, and he dead ass came up to me and said he wanted to start a power pop band, and he wanted me in it because I rock so goddamn hard, and something along the lines of “you’re too badass to not be in a band with me,” and I was all, “you’re right”… Just kidding, I was wearing a Big Star shirt, and he asked if I liked The Nerves. I said, “that’s like a top-five favorite of all time.” Everything just got easier when Vin and Dan hopped on; it felt like they really made it a heavy-hitting group, and I’m so stoked to rock with these fellas.

Was there a particular moment or experience that struck you, signaling that you were onto something special with this project?

Dustin: The fact that we sounded pretty good right off the bat was it for me.

Tanner: It was probably when Dustin and I started singing together the first time we practiced; it’s not easy to find other rockers who wanna sing their ass off and harmonize like we do, and it was pretty instant that I knew this was gonna be fun.

Vinny: I knew when I heard the demos the songs were great, but hearing how good they sound live is pretty wild. I’m mostly talking about the harmonies. It’s always pretty amazing. The guys are pop freaks.

The decision to seek opinions on your new songs is intriguing. When did you realize that external perspectives could contribute to your creative process?

Tanner: To quote White Reaper, “if it makes the girls dance, the boys will dance with ’em.”

Success can take on different meanings as time goes on. When envisioning success for this new record, what does that picture look like now?

Tanner: To be quite honest, all I want to do is rock and roll; whatever lets me do that more is a success to me.

Dustin: Same; I just want to play rock and roll music.

Vinny: A million bucks (each) in Spotify streaming royalties and performing at the halftime show for Super Bowl XXXXXVII.

Defining a song’s completion can be elusive. How do you determine when a composition has reached its final, ready-to-record form?

Dustin: We don’t really put a ton of thought into it. Once we’ve played the song at a show, it’s alive and ready to be printed.

Vinny: I always try to err on having a song be too short rather than too long. Someone can always repeat a song that’s too short, but if they skip a song halfway through, then you probably overstayed your welcome.

With the resurgence of cassettes, imagine curating your inaugural mixtape. Which five songs would be must-adds and why?

Dustin:

  • The Nerves – “When You Find Out”
  • Teenage Fanclub – “Sparky’s Dream”
  • The Lemon Twigs – “My Golden Years”
  • Brower – “Where Is The Magic?”
  • The Gants – “I Wonder”

Vinny:

  • Pavement – “Gold Soundz”
  • Pavement – “Harness Your Hopes”
  • Pavement – “Frontwards”
  • Pavement – “Kentucky Cocktail”
  • Pavement – “In the Mouth a Desert”

Tanner:

  • “On Top of the World” – Cheap Trick
  • “Starry Eyes” – The Records
  • “Thorns and Roses” – Exploding Hearts
  • “No Substitute” – The Shivers
  • “Somewhere to Fall” – The Uni Boys

These are absolute smash hits that get everyone jumping and moving.

In a hypothetical scenario where you could tour with two other bands, who would be your ideal companions and what synergies do you envision?

Dustin: Slade and XTC would be killer. The Who is up there as well for me.

Vinny: I dunno, I’d love to watch DEVO every night for 4-5 weeks, but I could see them being assholes to the opening band. Tenacious D seemed to have a pretty good vibe when I saw them soundcheck. Maybe them and Guns N’ Roses for intentional and unintentional comedic relief.

Tanner: I’m on a giant Cheap Trick kick, in particular the Heaven Tonight record, so probably them but during that era. I would love to tour with Vacation from Cincinnati; I saw them play when I was on my first U.S. tour, and they are the nicest and most rowdy boys; their songs rip face. Touring Japan with the Uni Boys would be sick too and should totally happen.

Among the compliments you’ve received, is there one that remains etched in your memory? If so, what made it particularly unforgettable?

Dustin: At our last show, someone compared us to MC5, which is insane.

Vinny: “Good set.”

Where do you see yourself situated within the broader landscape of the music industry? How do you perceive your unique role and contribution?

Tanner: SOFTJAW is gonna be the band you can’t get out of your head, big, phat, and catchy! No fooling around with this rock and roll shit; we are taking over the planet, baby, all in the name of rock.

Envision recruiting three singers to provide harmony vocals on your next record. Who would you invite, and what qualities do they possess that resonate with you?

Dustin: John, Paul, and George. I learned all of John’s vocal parts as a kid. That’s how I learned how to harmonize.

Vinny: Man, honestly, Dustin, Tanner, and Dan are all insanely good at harmonies. Why go out for burgers when you’ve got steak at home?

Looking ahead to the next couple of months, what exciting plans or projects are on the horizon for you?

Dustin: Bunch of new songs and recordings. Lots of shows planned.

Vinny: SOFTJAW mini-tour/album, becoming so famous.

Albums often involve collaboration with various musicians and producers. Could you shed light on how these collaborations contributed to shaping the album’s identity?

Tanner: The way I see it, I’m the young gun in the band; everyone has some insane chops, and I have the most respect for the boys, so I always feel like I gotta push to keep up with these dudes. Working with Dustin and writing these tracks has definitely put a fire under my butt. Dustin comes to me with a demo that sounds like a masterpiece, and I send him shitty voice memo demos; the skill and ease that he puts out tracks makes for a healthy competitive energy; I’m always trying to write the next catchy riff or jolly chorus, and that drive keeps me moving. Ala Paul and John or Buzz and Woody.

Dustin: We balance each other out with our songwriting styles for sure. When Tanner picks up a guitar and starts singing, it’s instantly rock and roll, and he writes killer jams. Kid’s got the magic.

In the digital age, visual elements are intertwined with music. How did you approach the album’s visual aesthetics, such as album art and accompanying visuals? How do they complement the sonic experience you’ve crafted?

Tanner: My girlfriend and I designed the single covers; she is a wizard with editing, and I love her very much, and I’m just soaking up ideas from what’s around or what I rock with.

The Second Summer – Undertow

The Second Summer, hailing from Chicago, characterizes their musical style as Hard Power Pop. Their latest release, Undertow, hit the airwaves a few weeks back and is packed with fantastic tracks. Steve Gatland shares with Sweet Sweet Music blog the story behind the album’s creation.


You can discover ‘Something’ featured on the Best Power Pop of 2024 Spotify Playlist.


Success can take on different meanings as time goes on. When envisioning success for this new record, what does that picture look like now?

Maybe it’s because where we all are in our lives, but what we really care about is having our music resonate with people in an authentic way. That is success for us. We don’t write cute or super light-hearted material (not that there’s anything wrong with that), but try to write about the feelings, emotions, stories, observations that we experience as we live our lives. We hope listeners can relate to some of what we’re writing about …

The song Invisible has a lot of angles to it, but one is the feeling of being left out, not fitting in, being unseen. The song centers on a relationship that has turned, but the song also ties to a theme we write a lot about, which is growing older. As we get older, we slowly become invisible. When we are young, our light shines brightly and that makes us very visible to the world (sometimes for the better, sometimes for worse, but definitely visible) … as we get older, our light becomes duller and duller, until we are on longer seen.

The song Undefeated is about a person(s) that we likely all know … the person that can’t ever say they’re sorry. The ability to say sorry, apologize, admit you’re wrong, is the single best thing we can do when we screw up. But there are many people, including some of the most powerful people in the world, that simply cannot say “I’m sorry.” And because of this character flaw (because that’s what we think it is), people waste time, money, energy, and emotions running around in circles trying to explain away (often by lying) their actions. And, most importantly, this can and does end up hurting a lot of people … emotionally, physically, financially. All because someone did not have the character to say “I messed this up … I’m sorry … please accept my apology.”

We hope that people can relate to songs like these.

As an artist, the act of baring your emotions to the world is profound. Does this vulnerability come naturally to you, or is it a constant journey of finding comfort?

We are very comfortable expressing our feelings and emotions via our music. Most of our songs are written from the perspective of the triumphs and tragedies (and everything in between) that we all experience as we go through life. We have been around the block – families, jobs, relationships started, relationships ended – and those experiences are a really big part of our material. We don’t write about these things in a sullen or melancholy way, but in what I’d call a sober way.

The other big cloud that we all live under is the cloud of getting older. In a lot of ways, our music, our band name, our outlook stems from this belief that although we’ve done a lot of living and learning the hard way, there is always a chance for a second summer. Whatever that might be for you, we believe that even when youth (summer) has passed you by, there are still many summers left – you just need to chase them.

Can you recall the last instance when you felt the immediate certainty of having penned a hit song?

Just to be clear, we have never written a hit song … maybe someday we will. We’re lucky, I think, in that we’re not really trying to write hit songs per se. As I said earlier, we want to write songs that resonate with folks.

That said, we have some songs that consistently get better reviews, feedback, and attention than others. The song “Something” has been a top attention getter for us with a lot of radio play, and feedback from other artists. Of course, it was also the last song we recorded, and we almost didn’t put it on the release. The old saying that sometimes the best songs come the quickest and most naturally has been true for us. And Something is a good example of that. We knew that it was a really good song in rough form, and felt even more confident that it was when it came out of mixing. But, we can’t say that we ever had certainty it was going to be well received. But we had a feeling!

Among the compliments you’ve received, is there one that remains etched in your memory? If so, what made it particularly unforgettable?

First and foremost, every time someone says they like our songs, we are humbled and grateful. It doesn’t matter if it’s the first time, or the 1,000th time, we are always so thankful. The one memory that jumps out playing our first show in Chicago. We were booked by Emily at Bang-A-Gong to play in late December at Montrose Saloon.

After our set, someone (Corey!) come up to us and said that she loved our sound, that her brother had a radio show, and that she had sent him a video of our performance and suggested he play us … and the next week we were on The Power Pop Shoppe radio program. That memory will always stick with us. It’s been great getting feedback from some great Chicago and Illinois bands like Van Go, Thrift Store Halo, Dreamjacket and Half Catholic.

And it’s been fun hearing feedback from critics and radio folks. We’ve been compared to Teenage Fanclub, The Posies, Buffalo Tom, The Connells, and more. Just being in the same sentence with these bands is crazy! And while we like all those bands, I would not say they were the bands we listened to the most growing up and into adulthood. Many of us were into grungy-90’s rock, punk, prog-rock and even metal, although bands like Material Issue, Nada Surf, and Descendents were definitely in the mix.

Looking ahead to the next couple of months, what exciting plans or projects are on the horizon for you?

We have a busy schedule with gigs through the summer. We’re really excited to be playing the International Pop Overthrow Festival in Chicago, likely on April 27th (the festival runs from April 19-17 at Montrose Saloon in Chicago). This festival has so many great power pop, indie rock bands and more, and we are really looking forward to it.

We’ve been connecting with some really awesome Chicago-area bands, and are working to put together some shows with them. Stay tuned by following our social media pages on Facebook and Instagram.

We have a ton of new songs that are ready, and we’ve been weaving (and will be weaving them) in our sets.

And, we are hoping to release more singles and then a second LP/EP in later 2024 or early 2025.

Studio moments often hold a touch of magic. Could you recount an instance that stands out as the most enchanting during your creative process?

Our songs were tracked in a home studio. The performances were really good, but the recording quality was not superb (we have good amps, guitars, basses … but not good mics, and we definitely were not super knowledgeable about micing techniques). We were really worried that we would have to go back and re-track all of them in a studio … which would take a lot of time and money.

A Chicago studio, Gravity, mixed our songs and we were blown away by how they came to life sonically and dynamically. There is no doubt the tracking would have been better if we had done it at Gravity, but at the same time Gravity was able to squeeze every last ounce of tone and feel out of these tracks, and we were blown away by how awesome they sounded.

We worked together on the mixes, but Gravity really helped us get them to a great place. When we first heard the mixes we were floored by how big and beautiful they sounded. The song “Never Not Forever” really exemplifies this … the tracks were well played and the performances were great, but it was somewhat thin sonically. When it come-out of mixing it had been transformed into a song that was at times spartan, and at times thunderous. There is no way we could have even come close to that without working with a studio.

How would you describe the evolution of your sound in this new album compared to your previous works? Were there intentional shifts in style or themes?

We have always been rooted in what I would call hard power pop, but our earlier stuff leaned a little more in the direction of pop-punk. We’ve brought more harmonies to our new material, added more texture and played some slower tempo tunes, and our lyrics have changed to be more reflective of the lessons we’ve all learned the hard way. None of this was intentional. It was really just where the songwriting went and we didn’t resist it.